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Post by darinmds on Apr 23, 2012 19:01:13 GMT
our you restoring a 3100 john
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Post by johnmc67 on Apr 23, 2012 19:56:51 GMT
yes mate its a well known car but been off road for long time
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Post by darinmds on Apr 23, 2012 20:00:31 GMT
how far have you got
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Post by johnmc67 on Apr 23, 2012 20:13:58 GMT
hi mate nearly ready to put it all back together just waiting to get axle painted,crossmember etc so i can get rolling before i move from body shop just dont know what to do paint or powder coat
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Post by vernon240 on Apr 24, 2012 8:36:25 GMT
Hi John, on the decals, I'd give Stuart at Restore a ford a call. You can check he web site out at: www.restore-a-ford.co.uk/He now buys decals from a supplier in New Zealand and says they are better than the UK based suppliers in regard to fit, so give him a call. Very friendly chap. s far as powder coating Vs paint, I personnaly prefer paint...although I used to prefer powder coating!! Here's my thoughts. Powerder coating seems to be ideal for things like suspension components as it's fairly tough and and can give a good finish. Ive taken items to be powder coated and found that some parts come our really well, while at other times, similar parts have come out not so well, even from the same powder coater. Some use a primer, while some don't. I understand that primer helps adhesion, but I don't know how effective it is with powder coating. The problem I've found that if it chips, moisture gets in and under the powder coating and rust just works it's way under the coating. Also, you can't really touch it up will when it does get chipped, which could well happen with suspension parts. Peaple have also use powder coating on things like air filter casings and rocker covers. Somehtings it can come out well, but other times, the finish is pretty poor, wheras get a good painter to paint things like rocker covers, air filter casings, suspension components, and the outcome is far more consistent. Paint also allows the use of etch primers and 2 pack paint, which is also pretty tough and with etch primer, actually bites into the steel, giving the best adhesion. I've had some things powder coated for my car, lkke top ssuepnsion spring cups, and they will stay that way as I think there is little liklihood of them being chipped, but most oter things will get painted. So get some pictures up of your car! Is it PEL per chance?
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Post by johnmc67 on Apr 24, 2012 9:20:14 GMT
hi vernon thanks for help regards paint and powder coating .....totally understand your views the air pan would not look right in powder needs to be 2k as you say ..would i need special paint for rocker covers with heat off engine? pluss would you do axle, prop,etc in gloss or satin ? iwant it to look good but as close to original finish as poss...problem is every one ive seen is different! ive had most of my components dipped at spl and they have come out great theres bits of pitting here and there but metal comes back like new....regards the rs ive got 2 at moment ghu.....and xgc....xgc is the one im restoring ive been very lucky as the shell was perfect as dennis had fitted all new genuine panels to it some years ago when you could still buy them and its been sat in dry warehouse for 10 years i know about before i got my hands on it (had to break his arms and legs before he would sell it me )
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Post by garethb on Apr 24, 2012 11:03:42 GMT
In the day as now, Ford probably used different suppliers for the same item to ensure they always had stock hence variations between identical parts.
Plus Ford would use whatever was in the parts bin, hence the three types of seat belt fitted to our cars, static, inertia with plastic cover over top mounting and inertia with no plastic cover over top mounting. Also some had leather gear knobs fitted, others not.
Therefore because of this it is hard to say what is standard and what isn't a standard finish. I have encountered many debates on different forums regarding what is standard.
1) Standard is how it came off the factory line, but then does this include the optional extras or not?
2) Standard is how it left the dealer, so for my car standard is white front and rear spoilers, chrome bumpers, rear seat belts, LSD Dif, brown underseal paint and push button LW/MW radio.
The powder coating on the airbox on my car came out with the same finish as it had originally before the battery failed covering it in acid which is a gloss black.
The rockers came out good on my car, but the colour isn't exact which is where paint has the edge because it's easier to mix to get the correct colour match.
Where possible I tried to find what the finish was on the part that only someone with an eye for detail doing a proper restoration / repair job so the finish on the ignition cil bracket, I removed it and it had the yellow pasivate finsih so hat was sent for recoating. Clips for the radiator bolts were rusted, but on the inside it was clear theyw ere painted an olive green so these were powdercoated in the same colour.
The areas, i couldn't do this, I asked around like you are doing now and got owners to send pictures of the parts I need to know how were finished and made my choice based on what I preferred unless Len could pin a specific finsih to a part.
Is the Dennis you mention one Mr Dennis Sellers?
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Post by darinmds on Apr 24, 2012 19:48:36 GMT
i had all my running gear powder coated i think its a better job just got to get len to put my decals on and my green 1 will be ready to go
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Post by vernon240 on Apr 24, 2012 19:48:48 GMT
Hi John, well, if you want an example of standard, then you should look at Gareths car. I'm sure he could send you some photo's, but as ever the 'god of what's what', aka 'oy you!' Len, should be able to help, but I don't think you'll be turning up at a meet with someone saying ' your prop is a bit too shiny', as most cars seem to have slight variations. With the rocker covers, paint is fine. It what Ford used and I know of several RS3100 and 3 ltr capris with painted rocker covers that have had no problems at all. Two pack paint is very resiliant. The only time I've seen it bubble up is when exhaust manifols are VERY cose to the paint...which happened on another car I have, but then I half expected that.
So, get some pictures up if possible. Will we see you at shows this year or next? Len buys a beer for every new owner who turns up. 2 if the car is Sebring red!
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Post by vernon240 on Apr 24, 2012 19:59:51 GMT
i had all my running gear powder coated i think its a better job just got to get len to put my decals on and my green 1 will be ready to go Hi Darin, well, I'm running a kindof experimet on my Mk 2 capri. Some parts have beeen powdercoated, so painted, so I'm interested to see how the suspension fares! Engine cross member, ARB, ARB brackets powder coated, TCA's and sump painted, although the sump was plated when I bought it. Rear axle painted, caltracs (traction bars running under the front half of the springs), powdercoated, leaf springs themselves painted. The rear anto roll bar is also painted, but seeing as it won't fit the car anymore, being in the garage doesn't constitute a tough environment! Will be great to see your green one done! Good idea on Len doing the stripes. I didn't know he offered that service? Or is that just to non white cars?
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Post by darinmds on Apr 24, 2012 19:59:57 GMT
come on vern theres no way len will buy 2 beers red or not
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Post by darinmds on Apr 24, 2012 20:03:35 GMT
hi vern i had a go at the decals made a pigs ear of it mate thats why im letting len do it he done my yellow 1
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Post by vernon240 on Apr 24, 2012 20:03:49 GMT
WE all know that (I mean, one has got to be about as frequent as Halleys commet!), but John doesn't! Keep it quiet and just smile!
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Post by darinmds on Apr 24, 2012 20:07:44 GMT
what our you doing to your 3100 vern
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Post by garethb on Apr 24, 2012 21:10:36 GMT
Biggest problem with the decals is on the rear quarter where they follow the swage line round the rear arch. Aftermarket decals are cut straight so you have to bend them round. The original Ford items are curved so when you lay them against the side of the car, they already follow the swage line. Original Ford decals were made using the 3M Scotch Cal material. Older members may remember the days when you could buy pinstripes on a roll. One such product was the 3M Style 'n' Stripe, again on the 3M Scotch Cal material. As for Vernon's car, at long last he is going to have the stupid second door locks removed and proper RS shocks on the front, he'll be one step closer to making his car look like a proper RS3100
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