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Post by vernon240 on Nov 9, 2019 10:21:01 GMT
A question for you guys.
I've put the gear stick back into TBL and while I can select all gears, the stick doesn't self centre. If I push it to the left and release, there it stays..if I push to the right and leave it, there it stays.
I've looked at one car and the gear stick does self centre...so what could by my issue? I honestly can't remember if my gearbox did this or not before I took TBL apart!
Looking for advise!
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Post by rscapriman on Nov 9, 2019 12:41:25 GMT
I doubt it was doing it before buddy as it would have made changing gear a nightmare.
When moving the stick both left and right in the neutral position can you feel the resistance from the spring or is there no resistance at all?
Regards Len
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Post by vernon240 on Nov 9, 2019 14:24:47 GMT
That's what I thought. I tried Wayne's car at the NEC..that is sprung and self centres..then spoke to Chris, owner of the cologne arched RPU car..and he wasn't sure....yep, getting 1st would be a nightmare! I can feel a slight resistance, but nothing that feels like a spring. I'm thinking maybe the detent springs? There is a spring at the base of the gearstick and that seems intact, but not sure that plays a role in self centering. I think I will bite the bullet and take the gearbox out now. One step forwards, 2 steps back!
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Post by vernon240 on Nov 9, 2019 18:00:57 GMT
Well, gearbox out and on the bench and partially disassembled. There is a plunger above the reverse light switch. This was seized in place, but also should have had a spring and locking plate there as well...which aren't there. Descriptions are 'plunger, gear selection lock' and 'spring, gear selection plunger'. This could be the culprit...it would push the gear stick to the left..but still not sure what wold push it to the right to centralise..... maybe the spring on the gear stick. No idea whwhere I would get these bits and it's a bit of a mystery why they aren't there. So Len, about that gearbox you have for sale!
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Post by rscapriman on Nov 11, 2019 10:39:51 GMT
Right Vernon, I have checked both of my cars and called John Parry re this problem, both of my cars have no spring action to determine neutral so if you were to have the gearstick in neutral then push it to the left there is no resistance and it will stay to the left ( this is incredibly light easy to do) you can then select both 1st and 2nd gear, move the stick to the right again no resistance and easy it will stay ther and 3rd and 4th can now be selected.
The only spring resistance is obviously when trying to select reverse, so if you pushed it hard to the left from neutral and let it go it would immediately return to neutral, I guess it is something one takes for granted and to be honest I couldnt remember and I have been driving them for a hell of a long time but trying to think back i seem to recall with the gearstick out of the box you should be able to move the piece where the stick goes in from side to side without resistance (excluding trying reverse).
If you are saying that when in neutral moving from left to right is extremely stiff then it stays put then check the nylon ball on gear stick or indeed try another gear stick.
Regards Len.
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Post by vernon240 on Nov 11, 2019 18:27:07 GMT
OK, thanks Len. Looks like I have pulled my gearbox out for no reason then lol! Yes, mine is the same. It easily moves to the left and right and stays there, minimal resistance. I checked Waynes car at the NEC and it does have a springing action..so that was why I was thinking, something must be wrong with mine! Bugger..I hate taking gearboxes out and putting them in!
Still, appears to have cleared up a mystery! thanks Len!
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Post by vernon240 on Nov 11, 2019 18:43:47 GMT
OK, update. I have just seen Gareths video he posted. Right, more detail and this aligns with what you said len. He can move his gear stick between 1st and 2nd and then over to 3rd and 4th. It stays where he puts it...so no spring action. Then, if he moves over for reverse, that's where the stick will spring back. That's the bit I'm missing. I can move my stick right over to the left for reverse and it won't spring back...so I move it over to the left, push forward for 1st and it won't move. I have to subtly move it to the right before I can push it forward for reverse.Taking the gearbox apart, I'm definitely missing a spring and the plunger it was attached to was stuck solid..free now, but still need the spring. Having played around it, the box now won't smoothly shift like it did before...and won't go into neutral..although the linkage inside suggest all is well. Another evening looking at the gearbox I think!
Thanks Len...at least I know what should be happening!
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Post by rscapriman on Nov 11, 2019 18:43:59 GMT
Hi mate, well I am not convinced it has answered the question as I have tried 2 more this afternoon one of which is the spare and has no gear stick on this one you can move the piece that the stick sits in very easily from side to side as per both of my cars.
However I tried another one in a car and sure enough there is a very slight resistance I would assume from a pair of springs as it seems to be similar both ways, Having said that it is very weak and there is no way I will be taking both of my gearboxes out in the hope that I can find a biro spring that will fit lol
I can honestly say from memory the one I tried today is the first I have come across.
Regards Len
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Post by vernon240 on Nov 11, 2019 19:07:23 GMT
HI Len, I think it has helped. Mine was the same...I could move the part that the gear stick engaged into very easily..no resistance. The problem was, with the gear stick in place, I could move it over to reverse with no resistance. This is where you would start to feel resistance, before pulling the gear stick back for reverse. As I had no resistance, I would move the stick to the left and it would now be in the right place for reverse..but not for 1st. You really need that resistance to overcome which stops you pushing all the way to the left...which you would do if you were going for reverse...so you can easily select 1st. At least I'm onto this now! So at least I know I did have an issue and still do! Will investigate more tonight!
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Post by rscapriman on Nov 11, 2019 19:43:42 GMT
Ah I see well yes that spring is really very strong to obtain the reverse gear that would not be nice to drive, I really wouldn't worry about the issue with it centralising within the neutral area.
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